by k9bob on Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:52 am
AS a professional trainer I have never heard of *graduating* from a prong to a choke collar.
If the prong collar was used correctly (AS DESIGNED) as a "TOOL" in concert with using the/a correction based *method* of conditioning (undesired) behavior ...the use of a choke collar would be considered a continum of the correction curve and in addition possibly more damaging to the dogs trachea and thus a step more to the negative side I would think.
The illusion collar is just Cesars rendition of a "nicer" more eye friendly for some ....looking correction based choke collar/tool that has the advantage of keeping the collar high up on the dogs neck where corrections are more effective and damage to the trachea/throat tissue is minimized. The concept however is the same when considering correction based conditioning in that a true correction results in delivering a stimulus at or above the threshold to eliminate unwanted or undesired behavior so that it does NOT repeat. In this case a aversive choking or restriction of the neck.
Again as I pointed out in more detail in the training article forum reply on leash training.... "Repeated" use of aversive based stimulis (popping or pulling the leash) or in the case of a choke collar (CHOKING/RESTRICTION ON THE NECK/TRACHEA) DOES NOT constitute the proper or effective use of correction based condtioning/training and thus misuse of the tool.... it is a indicator of improper delivery of stimulus in hopes of acting as a true correction and as mentioned inappropriate use can simply and clearly be gauged by the need for continual use of addtional correction based tools/methods.
A dog that has been taught properly on a prong collar (1 week or much less for a knowledgable expert) or with the use of any other aversive should no longer need to be administered a aversive stimulus IF conditioned properly.... so a choke collar or any other type of training/correction based tool/collar should no longer be needed after conditioning behavior with a prong collar..
hope that helps...
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