by k9bob on Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:14 pm
When addressing the issues of excessive,unwanted, or undesired barking there are many ways to solve the issue and
it is obviously a matter of using a approach that hopefully works. Sometimes more importantly than simply resolving the issue with the more quick results the human has to also incorporate what methods and tools are exceptable as the means to the end to which things become more complicated at that point . Reasonably so because of a complex variety of concerns that need not be judged people choose to draw lines in the sand or have variations in levels of critera that we will use as the means to the end that does not equate to the quickest or more reliable solution and can be a BEST that someone else would disagree with.. Hurt can be described in several ways when considering any backlash behaviors or results in the long term> For example many people equate any discomforting stimuli as hurtful and a example would be simply squirting water or chemicals into a dogs face. In order to condition behavior reliably when using force training/condtioning methods and tools a negative or discomforting stimuli must be presented in order to meet the threshold to modifying,changing, reducing, or eliminating a behavior. Many people reasonably so feel that certain tools,methods,and stimuli that result in changing behavior through the presentation of any discomfort is actually a form of "hurt". One more thing to consider is that many people feel that simply a failure to solve the problem regardless of the approach hurts the dog at some point if one understands the many values to "hurt".
Concerning using bark collars..bark collars can use a variation in discomforting stimuli from sound,chemicals,vibration, and shock to which each person should understand in the possibilities to condtioning the behavior not to bark which again works for some situations and not others. In additon there are brands/types of these collars that are designed not to false trigger from external sources. In some cases dogs can associate even the mildest of discomforting stimuli that can result in negative backlash behaviors and also may not respond favorably to harsher or painful stimuli as hoped. I have observed many dogs especially younger ones that do not stop the targeted behavior by the use of shock or other discomforting stimuli and on the other hand do not change there behavior either by positive reinforcement methods and or ignoring such behavior.
By setting certain critera that is defined as safe,non aversive,non force conditioning,positive reinforcement only,punishment only,friendliest (various contrasting definitions),safest,fastest,most reliable, easiest,ect ect. we must obviously understand that this will result in different opinions to approach,methods, and tools and certainly provokes the politics and misunderstandings in how one defines BEST and in seeking the outcome. There in reality is no BEST answer or BEST way when considering that not all dogs respond similary to the same conditioning stimuli and that not everyone has the ability or understanding to carry out a specific approach or process ...so what works BEST for one dog or person in there environment and relationship may not work BEST for another.
In my environment and profession I deal with dozens of different dogs some with nasty dispositions each day across many different situations /venues and in my charge none are *aloud to bark unreasonably and many times at all and thus are easily conditioned to understand that barking unless reasonable or allowed is not tolerated and the issue is solved.
There are many ways and subsets that I incorporate depending on each individual dog and no two are exactly alike.
FOR ME there is no BEST way there are just ways.....I would answer the question by saying that limiting approaches by setting critera like safe,non hurtful,friendly,kind,non aversive,non discomforting,ect you/one also limit/s the chances of success in the primary goal of solving the problem depending on each circumstance..
just another perspective and probably a tad bit more than you wanted to hear. I am just one who does not believe in absolutes when dealing with conditioning behavior.
Opinions are like stomachs...everyone has one with different tastes.
Treat a dog too much like a human and you will be treated like a dog.